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Its sanguine c > fox lamp x(hold) >fox lamp z > pain v > pain c > sanguine z pain x > sanguine x

So im only in second sea and I cant find a combo with only second sea items that are not hard to get. so no swords for ttk or anything. just wondering if anyone has a pain combo i could use. im lvl 1260 btw

Basically, there's 2 options, both of which requires move replacements

Base pain is fine, but just, fine, moves are slow, have startup, don't have the best combos, while it is faithful to the og, (im mainly pressed about how damn long it takes to get fully held c ready, it was stupidly expensive to get that upgrade)

Then there's the second life, which is absurd

You get a speed faster than any fruit in the game, allowing you to easily just escape away, while it won't really work on good players (or any with a brain) it is still annoying af

You have 60 seconds in the second life, and the moves of the second life, are superior to the base

This makes it so that people willingly 'die' just to use a good moveset, which is stupid af

Simple re-balance:

Make the transformed moveset the base moveset

(i will not ask for a speed nerf until kit gets a speed nerf.)

Not inclusive of the m1s, cds, or dash/jump boosts

Honestly, the transformed moveset feels like an actual good moveset, unlike the base where it's just meh

Or they could just do that and remove the second life completely, honestly i wouldnt complain if they did that, just give us the transformed moves though, they work a lot better functionally

First off: FIRE REWOOORK

Absolutely smashed my expectations, thought it was a pushover, and it kinda is, nowhere near rumble tho

Now, the fruit does great dmg, and has amazing mobility, and great combos, however !

They attemped something fresh, which is spectacular... but they have not playtested it at ALL

Here's all of pain's issues

Issue numero uno: almost every move can be ken-dodged/has startup

Z can be fully ken dodged frm afar, x can be very easily tricked, c and v has dastardly startups. I'm honestly fine with c's startup, but doing it on v is a bit too much, they should remove the startup, especially considering it's the spotlight of pain

DOS:

Now, here's what i HATE about x

Idek why they attemped this goofy ass thing with x, but basically, ill just start by saying range is pretty bad (need 25% more), secondly, it is severely clunky

The tap is okayish, but the held is just not it

For whatever reason, the lazer part of x, has to be AIMED. i guess their logic was so that it's good against a group, but like, why not just make it grab more ppl then-

Even then this is okay, except the move can be KEN-TRICKED, bleugh

They should make it so that it grabs more ppl by default, and make it act like dragon x

Tres.

C tapped is pretty much the same as the orignal, slow as shit with startup, idm it, i dont use anything but gaster blaster anyways.

Aand, thats it !

Honestly, the second life is just a fun lil perk that allows me to escape team fights, that is, if i ever even entered it, LOL

Yeah, with how aggressively i fight im pretty sure im almost never seeing this passive at all, cool pose tho !

I once asked nirex for help cause i started using pain, i learned some combos and now im 5m bounty, Thanks Nirex

Can u use pain as a snipingskill and kill players from a very large distance and stay hidden. For example two player fight each other, one of the players has health low and is about to be finished in a combo. Just out of nowhere, a paw shoots out taking the finished player's bounty and while that breaking instinct on the other player. Then, more pain moves and guns finish the other player who does not know and cannot see the location of who's targeting him/her.

I got the fruit to 300 mastery here are my initial thoughts:

Z: 5/10 move it has ok combo potential but its slow with mid dmg

X: 8/10 good combo potential decent speed and damage

C 5/10 slow low damage has a startup

V: 9/10 a little slow but high DMG and op for combos

F: 8/10 good mobility

Overall 70/100 c tier fruit at first glance

Maybe its better? maybe it really is S tier, even though the fruit itself has only average damage at the cost of having slow and small hitboxed moves as well as having no combo starts and only 2 moves with real combo potential

Not to mention the f move is kinda mid on this since ur relying on gh and eclaw to combo start not the fruit itself, unlike things such as dark rumble and portal who have stuns and combo starts to go with their f

Change my mind i'd love y'all to, and I'm going to main this for a week so maybe I'll see when I pvp with it

Also what moves instinct break?

Rolled pain heck yeah